Time to say goodbye to ZEVO and GreenBytes

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Time to say goodbye to ZEVO and GreenBytes

Post by jollyjinx » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:36 am

Up until now I was using ZEVO on my main machine and backup machine. I even wrote a complete TimeMachine like backup system for ZFS just because I needed it ( http://github.com/jollyjinx ). I heavily rely on my data being correct, the main reason to go with ZFS and ZEVO.

But as a developer I need to work at least on the current version of the OS.


Communication from GreenBytes has been almost non existent:

- Last update to ZEVO: More than a year ago.
- Last board announcement regarding new versions: More than a year ago.
- Beta versions available for Mavericks: NONE
- Support for Mavericks announced on twitter a few weeks ago. I have not seen even a beta version given that Mavericks beta versions were available since June, not to mention that is out already.

This is clearly a way on loosing potential customers (I purchased ZEVO). I'm done with GreenBytes and will not recommend any of its products in the future.

ZEVO had the potential - I hope that OpenZFS succeeds as HFS+ is just intolerable in regards to data integrity.


P.S.: I'll switch to 10.9, I will keep my backups on a freebsd machine (on ZFS) to be sure that data does not corrupt after backing up, but on my main machine I will switch to HFS+ again.

A way to ensure consistent data for me is to have my important data being checked by git.
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Re: Time to say goodbye to ZEVO and GreenBytes

Post by ilovezfs » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:41 am

You might want to give the new OpenZFS-based version of MacZFS a try. You can come join us on IRC #mac-zfs if you'd like to talk about it more.
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Re: Time to say goodbye to ZEVO and GreenBytes

Post by jollyjinx » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:43 am

As I wrote, I need a working version. MacZFS is not shipping quality right now from what I read.
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Re: Time to say goodbye to ZEVO and GreenBytes

Post by ilovezfs » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:57 am

Yes, if your standard is "shipping quality" then you are correct, but that shouldn't be true for long. "From what you read" is too generic for me to say anything specific about.

It depends exactly what your needs are. For many the new MacZFS is perfectly acceptable to use now. If you require "shipping quality," I'd suggest using OmniOS or ZFS on Linux, or FreeBSD 9.2. They are all 100% "shipping quality" versions of OpenZFS.

If you do want to try the new MacZFS, we'd love to have you join us. I pointed someone to your scripts just yesterday!
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Re: Time to say goodbye to ZEVO and GreenBytes

Post by hendrst1 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:06 pm

So are you saying that the basic functions of the new MacZFS work under Mavericks? Will it recognize and import the Zevo pools?
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Re: Time to say goodbye to ZEVO and GreenBytes

Post by ilovezfs » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:53 pm

Yes.
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Re: Time to say goodbye to ZEVO and GreenBytes

Post by hendrst1 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:50 am

Ok, I'll try it. But I am not a programmer so tell me how to install it as there doesn't appear to be an apple installer yet.
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Re: Time to say goodbye to ZEVO and GreenBytes

Post by maxijazz » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:31 pm

jollyjinx wrote:Up until now I was using ZEVO on my main machine and backup machine. [...] I heavily rely on my data being correct, the main reason to go with ZFS and ZEVO.

[...]

This is clearly a way on loosing potential customers (I purchased ZEVO). I'm done with GreenBytes and will not recommend any of its products in the future.

ZEVO had the potential - I hope that OpenZFS succeeds as HFS+ is just intolerable in regards to data integrity.

P.S.: I'll switch to 10.9, I will keep my backups on a freebsd machine (on ZFS) to be sure that data does not corrupt after backing up, but on my main machine I will switch to HFS+ again.

A way to ensure consistent data for me is to have my important data being checked by git.


HA, ha... redacted it a bit. Why? What is left is exactly my experience with and stance on ZEVO. 99% the same as jollyjinx's.
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Re: Time to say goodbye to ZEVO and GreenBytes

Post by ilovezfs » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:50 pm

hendrst1 wrote:Ok, I'll try it. But I am not a programmer so tell me how to install it as there doesn't appear to be an apple installer yet.

You can come to the IRC channel #mac-zfs to ask any questions you have and to get help setting it up.

Latest binaries are here: http://lundman.net/ftp/osx.zfs/

ZEVO must be completely uninstalled before you use it.

If you'd like to build from source, this describes how: http://zerobsd.tumblr.com/post/62586498 ... x-with-zfs
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Re: Time to say goodbye to ZEVO and GreenBytes

Post by maxijazz » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:40 pm

How to install the mac-zfs from image (dmg)? How to use it? Any (even short) tutorial?
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