GreenBytes, we DEMAND an update.

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Re: Positive intentions

Post by ilovezfs » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:38 am

grahamperrin wrote:That's my intention, and it is positive.

If you choose to doubt the good intentions – if through your own negativity and distrust you choose to paint it as something negative – it's not good for either community.

There is a difference between choosing to doubt your good intentions and choosing to tell you when your actual impact seems to differ from your intended impact. It is intellectually dishonest to pretend as if you did not understand this.
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A features matrix

Post by grahamperrin » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:53 am

ilovezfs wrote:… detailed discussion of MacZFS on the ZEVO forum. …


For a long time I have wished for a features matrix, a clickable table to help people visualise – at a glance and in plain english – the key differences between:

  • MacZFS
  • MacZFS prototype*
  • ZEVO Community Edition.

Key points such as:

  • usable with pre-release builds of OS X 10.9
  • supports ACLs
  • and so on.

IMHO and in the spirit of Quickstart Guide needs help, this table should not plunge people into too much detail.

My reasons for refraining from a first draft of the table did not include my agreement with Apple. Reasons included:

  1. the wish for MacZFS and its prototype to be represented in a way that is both knowledgeable and concise
  2. the unsuitability of pphBB and Google Groups to collaborative editing
  3. and so on.

For (a) I lack the required knowledge, but I strongly believe that the table is worth drawing.

I'd like to begin work. Where would people like the first draft to appear?

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* that is, the concise expression that was agreed in IRC on 21st June. I had a features matrix, and other things, in mind when I entered that discussion.
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Re: Positive intentions

Post by grahamperrin » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:06 am

ilovezfs wrote:… as if you did not understand …


On 26th July:

07:07:34 grahamperrin: Need for ACLs is not recognised as a bug?
07:07:47 ilovezfs: *sighs*
07:08:26 grahamperrin: Sighs tell me nothing ;-)
07:08:41 ilovezfs: *sighs again*
07:08:53 grahamperrin: *sits in the dark*

There's an example of me not understanding, and one of my reasons for wishing for a feature matrix.

If I ask a stupid question, then tell me politely why it's stupid.

Sighing repeatedly whilst saying nothing does nothing to help people understand.
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Re: GreenBytes, we DEMAND an update.

Post by ilovezfs » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:19 am

Would a Google Drive spreadsheet be suitable?

As for the sighs, I had been asking you to actively try to find new bugs, and your response was a facile feature request.
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Re: GreenBytes, we DEMAND an update.

Post by grahamperrin » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:38 am

ilovezfs wrote:… your response was a facile feature request.


That's the trouble with being not present in IRC at all times, and with there being no comprehensive log, and with people (myself included) sometimes not communicating effectively in that environment.

When I asked the question about ACLs, it was not a response to your request for bug reports. It was simply one of two questions that I needed a quick answer to.

I recalled something (not recorded in GitHub or Google Groups) about an effective dissociation between a ZFS on Linux issue and the MacZFS prototype. I couldn't recall what that issue was, maybe NFS/POSIX ACL support … I also recall that someone asked me to not record something in the issue tracker for the MacZFS prototype … can't recall whether the request to not record things was around the same time.

With the lack of recording and so on, all I needed was a quick answer to refresh my memory about something. I left IRC without an answer but in good humour.

If not ACLs, then what was it from the ZFS on Linux area that was supposedly worked around for the MacZFS prototype?

Support for extended attributes, maybe? Please refresh my memory …
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Towards a features matrix

Post by grahamperrin » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:41 am

ilovezfs wrote:Would a Google Drive spreadsheet be suitable?


For me, yeah, I guess so. I'm not spreadsheet-minded but I do have a Google account.

Thanks.
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Re: GreenBytes, we DEMAND an update.

Post by ilovezfs » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:46 am

I have not tested OS X ACLs on MacZFS prototype.

Are you referring to the silly file flag "arch" thing?
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Re: Towards a features matrix

Post by ilovezfs » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:07 am

grahamperrin wrote:
ilovezfs wrote:Would a Google Drive spreadsheet be suitable?


For me, yeah, I guess so. I'm not spreadsheet-minded but I do have a Google account.

Thanks.

Maybe we should create a shared Google account just for this purpose so that it's not tied to just one person's account?
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Re: GreenBytes, we DEMAND an update.

Post by grahamperrin » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:10 am

ilovezfs wrote:… MacZFS prototype … "arch" thing?


arch does ring a bell, yes. However I don't find it in Adium transcripts of chat with you. I do find it in transcripts of #mac-zfs but none of the matches help me to fill the mental gaps.

Shall we focus on the table/spreadsheet? It should iron out any wrinkles. At your leisure. I'll be out for a few hours (park, sunshine) hopefully free late afternoon.
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Re: Towards a features matrix

Post by grahamperrin » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:19 am

ilovezfs wrote:… not tied to just one person's account?


+1

I know nothing about shared accounts with Google. If collaborative edition can be done without me signing out from my usual Google account, that'll be ideal.

The other thing that comes to mind is Zoho.
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